Christ's kingdom of peace and prosperity can only take place when Israel repents of their sin nationally. Point 9 (Luke 17:31-33) says that "ON THAT DAY" no one should look to earthly things but to remember Lot's wife because . Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Verse Luke 17:34-36.On the subject of these verses see Matthew 24:40-41.The 36th verse Luke 17:36 is, without doubt, an interpolation; see the margin.It was probably borrowed from Matthew 24:40.The whole verse is wanting in - ABEGHKLQS, more than fifty others, the Coptic, AEthiopic, Gothic, Slavonic, and many of the fathers: Griesbach has left it out of the text. Posted in Homosexuality, Luke 17:34-35, Rapture, Two Men in One Bed . In 17:22-37 and 21:34-36, by contrast, he is talking about the Second Coming. Bible Believers FellowshipEvent: Radio BroadcastDate: 5/15/2022Bible: Luke 17:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 5:6-11Length: 25 min. Now when the Lord gave the Disciples this sign in Luke chapter 17 they understood that Jesus was talking about the last days and that some people would suddenly disappear but they didn't know anything about the Rapture and the logical question was asked, "Where Lord?" i.e. The whole world at that time saw what was happening. However, in the Lord's return to the earth, it is the lost who are taken outjust the opposite of what happens in the rapture of the Church. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the . Luke Chapter 17. (34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. For those who believe that Luke 17:34-36 is not speaking of the rapture but of the judgment after Christ's Second Coming and that those taken are the wicked, I must point out a few things and conclude with a determining factor. Luke 17:34 - 17:37. 4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying 'I repent,' you must forgive them.". This view recognizes the concept of "rapture" from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, but believes the rapture is part of the first resurrection as described in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 and takes place at the "second coming" of Christ. It is a misconstrued idea that comes from a metaphor that the Apostle Paul uses (1 Thessalonians 4:17). It's Luke 17 verses 34 through 37. 2It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. Points 10 and 11 (Luke 17:34-35) say that "one will be taken and the other left" and this is the Rapture. 3 So watch yourselves. Question 17 Will The People Who Have Rejected The Gospel Before The Rapture Takes Place Have Another Chance To Believe . They all deal with the same subject matter, the coming of His Kingdom, not the rapture. A Present Kingdom Unnoticed - Luke 17:20-21. 22 He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will yearn to see one of the days of the Son of man, . Meanwhile, others will not join them on this journey (Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36). Finally, in Luke chapter 17, there is a verse there when Christ is talking about the end of the world. at Point 5. It has come to my attention, and as I understand it, that those who insist that the rapture verses of Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 are, in their opinion, a judgment of the unsaved, are saying that the Greek word "paralambn" - as found in another passage of Scripture - can carry the connotation of judgment. Luke 17 - Duty, Thankfulness and the Kingdom A. Forgiveness, faith and duty. Points 10 and 11 (Luke 17:34-35) say that one will be taken and the other left and this is the Rapture. Some understand it to mean that the Son of Man will inevitably appear just as eagles inevitably show up where there is carrion. The eight who remained and took over the earth knew what was going on the whole time also. Verses 34, 35. When the Son of Man is "revealed," one of them will be taken away and the other left there. This is the great judgment/wrath at Christ's Second Coming, when God kills His enemies and instructs scavenger-birds to gather and eat their corpses (Revelation 19:17-21). After all, when the wicked were swept away in the flood, that was no secret. It is not a "thing" in the Bible. Where will these people be taken? Jesus answered, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures would gather." Jesus' reply clearly indicates judgment. QUESTION: Mary from Texas had a question about Luke 21:36 where it says, "I watch therefore and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man.". Who is the one taken? There is no rapture here. The next verses, Luke 17:34-35, appear to refer to the Rapture in how people will suddenly disappear: "I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. Matthew 24:40-41 KJV 1900. . The passage deals with the Rapture, Christ's Second Coming. The passage is found in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 (with some variation); we'll stick to the shorter version in Matthew for simplicity's sake, though the same concepts that apply here apply equally to Luke. Do some people think this is speaking of the rapture? and if they repent, forgive them. Reason #1 - In Luke 17:34-35 . 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. . The following is a list of rapture passages found in all four gospels, some of which we will be examining. Paul indicates that people will be saying "peace and safety" (1 Thess 5:3) when the Day of the Lord . Luke 17:34-35, NRSV. The Bible Rapture. When Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles were told that Jesus would also return in the clouds ( Mark 13:26 ). 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one . For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all . It says, "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and . And this is in perfect harmony with what the rest of the Bible says on the subject. . Usually when we speak of a state of "rapture" it means ecstasy, or being emotionally caught up to a higher level, rather than being physically . The truth of the rapture was a mystery that was revealed to us by the Apostle Paul. There will be two women grinding together. . luke 17:34 rapture [1] February 25, 2021 No Comments. Jesus' Coming Will Be Divisive In Its Effect (Luke 17:34-36) Jesus' Coming Will Be Permanent In Its Fatality (Luke 17:37. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather." -Luke 17:37 I understand the attraction to believing in a rapture. ^ In Matthew 24:40 and the parallel passage in Luke 17:34-36, the word to "take" is the Greek word paralamban . (34-35) cannot refer to the rapture as it is commonly taught, which is said to take place before the Second Coming. Rapture Passages in the Gospels. 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. When Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles were told that Jesus would also return in the clouds ( Mark 13:26 ). Question 15 When Jesus Spoke Of One Person Being Taken And Another Left Behind, Was He Speaking Of The Rapture? He is the clearest about this of either of the synoptic parallels. Beyond even John Walvoord's assertion that Matthew 24 // Luke 17 does not teach the rapture, it is significant that some dispensationalists no longer affirm the rapture as a doctrine at all. Sadly, this verse has been used to support the secret rapture belief. One will be taken and the other left." Point 9 (Luke 17:31-33) says that "ON THAT DAY" no one should look to earthly things but to remember Lot's wife because Points 10 and 11 (Luke 17:34-35) say that "one will be taken and the other left" and this is the Rapture. Gay Pride and Sodom's Shame. 2) The Great Tribulation at Point 3. Who is the one left? First, if we read the three verses leading up to this text, we find this: As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. - I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. The people being taken away in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 are being judged and destroyed. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; . 1Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. Verse 37 in Luke immediately follows the description of the rapture of believers (verses 34-36). People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up until the day Noah entered the ark. In both the rapture and in the Lord's return to the earth, there are those who are taken and those who are left behind. Hebrews 11:36 through 12:2 talks about SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES. One will be taken and the other left. Live. . Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, the other left.How taken? Many believe the verses referred to are a reference to the "Rapture" as spoken of in Fundamental Christianity. If the rapture had occurred, then the dead have already risen because Paul says, "the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive . One will be taken and the other left. Interestingly, the Greek word for "taken" in Luke 17:34, 35 and here in Matthew 24:40 is paralambano and just happens to be the same word used by Jesus in the clear rapture passage of John 14:3, "I will come again to take (receive) you to Myself." The ones taken are to rescue/rapture/salvation to Jesus and the ones left are to the . It says, I tell you in that night, there will be two men in one bed. The "Left Behind" fiction series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins borrows its title from passages like those in Luke 17 in which Jesus describes events of the end times. I am extremely irritated right now, but I will try to keep my cool. 22 He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will yearn to see one of the days of the Son of man, . In Luke 17, "the Flood came and destroyed them all." In Matthew 24, "the Flood came and took them all away." Jesus is clearly talking about the same people in both passages-the wicked people who died in the Flood. But since we are going through the book of Luke in our Podcast at present, I thought I would just share why specifically, I don't believe Luke 17 is talking about "the rapture". There were no secrets either way. However, for those who do not belong to . Sin, Faith, Duty. Also. This is symbolically represented in two examples. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Luke 17:34 has another description of the rapture of the church. 32 Remember Lot's wife! Luke 17:34 and Matthew 24:40 both describe events that will occur at the Goat and Sheep Judgment. 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.. 3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Here is my translation of Luke 17:22-37. will be taken and the other left. "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left" (Luke 17:34). Paul picks up the Lord's thief in the night imagery and refers to the Day of the Lord (1 Thess 5:2). Eerdmans, 2005), 994; Nolland, Luke 9:21-18:34 (WBC 35B; Dallas: Word, 1993), 862; Joel B.Green, . Listen to 296 The Post Trib Rapture (Luke 17:34-37) 2 Of 2 and nine more episodes by Homosexuality On SermonAudio, free! In a sense, Matthew and Mark anchor and clarify Luke's version of the Second Coming, while Luke's version about the destruction . Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. One such is R. Todd Mangum, who has impeccable dispensationalist . Luke 17:34-35.But the decision at the Parousia, what a separation it will be!a separation of those who are in the temporal life united in a perfectly common position. Point 9 (Luke 17:31-33) says that "ON THAT DAY" no one should look to earthly things but to remember Lot's wife because Points 10 and 11 (Luke 17:34-35) say that "one will be taken and the other left" and this is the Rapture. Luke 17:34-35 is similar: "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; . Therefore, they . That article doesn't deal with Lk 17:34-37. (34-35) cannot refer to the rapture as it is commonly taught, which is said to take place before the Second Coming. A Disputed Picture of the Rapture - Matthew 24:40-41, Luke 17:34-36. are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. I believe that Luke 17 has the rapture in mind and the verse in question should read "where the body is, there the eagles will gather." The word is "body" in Luke and "corpse" in Matt 24. This means the illustration of the two men in the field or the two women grinding is not about the rapture. Comp., moreover, on Matthew 24:40 f. ] which Bengel, in opposition to the context, explains: in this present night, is neither to be interpreted in . 34 I tell you, on that night [when Messiah comes again] there will be two [sleeping] in one bed; the [ a]one (the non-believer) will be taken [away in judgment] and the [ b]other (the believer) will be left. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Phillips sets the context - The Lord had read their hearts aright. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Clarke's Commentary. This passage might sound like it is describing the Rapture but it isn't. Luke 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Luke 17:35 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Verses 34 and 35 are widely interpreted to mean that those taken are the lucky ones. 1. Here are the key facts we have gathered up to this point: Luke 17:37 and Matthew 24:28 indicate that some will be sent to a place where birds will be flying over dead bodies. Luke 17:33-34 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Now let's follow the verses in Luke 17 which describe Jesus' return AFTER the Great Tribulation. Jesus prophesied in Luke 17:34 that when the rapture happens, there will be two men in a bed!" I went on to show him that in the Greek, the word "men" is not actually there, so all it really says is "There will be two in one bed " And besides, there is some question about whether Luke 17 is even referring to the rapture. Verse Luke 17:34-36.On the subject of these verses see Matthew 24:40-41.The 36th verse Luke 17:36 is, without doubt, an interpolation; see the margin.It was probably borrowed from Matthew 24:40.The whole verse is wanting in - ABEGHKLQS, more than fifty others, the Coptic, AEthiopic, Gothic, Slavonic, and many of the fathers: Griesbach has left it out of the text. 35 There will be two women grinding together. So, AFTER the Great Tribulation, Jesus will return like lightning to rapture believers and to destroy sinners. The verse, actually two people, is a better translation. "Where, Lord?" they asked. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.". I just don't see how this passage supports the idea. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . After Jesus tells the disciples that some will be taken, they ask him where? This is "the Supper of the Great God" (verse 17) and "the Marriage . This means that both Luke 17:30-35 and Matthew 24:37-41 are events that will occur after the second coming of Christ. (1-2) The danger of stumbling another. Footnotes: Commentators have noted that Jesus employed a proverbial saying to reply to his disciples' question, "Where, Lord?" (Luke 17:37a); however, they differ on what the proverb means in this context. 20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'. Whether or not you believe in the rapture, and whether or not you even believe the Bible, there is nevertheless something very significant for gays and lesbians that is located smack-dab-in-the-middle of one of the main passages used to support the . Neither Matthew or Luke give any hint of a secret rapture. However, for those who do not belong to . Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:34. In Luke 17:36 Jesus gave a prophecy that one day two men will be standing in a field. Continue reading . . The people being taken away in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 are being judged and destroyed. So, AFTER the Great Tribulation, Jesus will return like lightning to rapture believers and to destroy .